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Bugs/5.3.1DVD

2008-04-09T03:05:20Z

Ruymbeke: Creation of a new bug page for Knoppix 5.3.1

* The Knoppix 5.3.1 Terminal Server doesn't work: cf: http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/pxe531.jpg

Bugs

2008-04-09T03:04:03Z

Ruymbeke: Creation of a new bug page for Knoppix 5.3.1

* [[Bugs_in_forum_software|Bugs in the forum software powering http://www.knoppix.net/wikinew/]]
* [[Bugs/5.3.1DVD|Knoppix Version V5.3.1 DVD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/5.1.1CD|Knoppix Version V5.1.1 CD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/5.01CD|Knoppix Version V5.01 CD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/5.0DVD|Knoppix Version V5.0 DVD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/4.0.2CD|Knoppix Version V4.0.2 CD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/4.0.2DVD|Knoppix Version V4.0.2 DVD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/4.0.1CD|Knoppix Version V4.0.1 CD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/4.0.1DVD|Knoppix Version V4.0.1 DVD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/4.0|Knoppix Version V4.0 DVD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.9-2005-05-27|Knoppix Version V3.9 2005-05-27 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.8.2|Knoppix Version V3.8.2 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.8.1|Knoppix Version V3.8.1 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.7|Knoppix Version V3.7-pcwelt bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.6-2004-08-16 | Knoppix Version V3.6-2004-08-16 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.4-2004-05-10|Knoppix Version V3.4-2004-05-10 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.4-2004-05-17|Knoppix Version V3.4-2004-05-17 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/Installer|Knoppix-Installer bugs (knoppix-installer)]]
* [[Bugs/3.5|Linuxtag 2004 Knoppix v3.5 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/BSD| Linuxtag 2004 BSD-DVD bugs]]
* [[Cloop Version 2.01]]

* [[Requests for Enhancements]]

[[Category:Bug Pages]]

Bugs/5.31DVD

2008-04-09T03:00:19Z

Ruymbeke: Creation of a new bug page for Knoppix 5.3.1

* The Knoppix 5.3.1 Terminal Server doesn't work: cf: http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/pxe531.jpg

Bugs/5.20

2007-04-23T09:49:55Z

Ruymbeke: typo

1) I think I have found 3 typos in the /etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig script.
Klaus, I hope that this patch will be of some help for the next release:
[http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/knoppix-autoconfig_520.diff http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/knoppix-autoconfig_520.diff]
[http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/knoppix-autoconfig_520.zip http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/knoppix-autoconfig_520.zip]
Best Regards, Gilles van Ruymbeke

PS: I found this when working on the ntfs iso boot minird and
on a knoppix 5.2 vmware 6 virtual machine, cf:
[http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=112830#112830 http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=112830#112830]

2) It looks like that the lang=us kernel cheat code
changes the keyboad mapping but not the menus yet...

--- Please add the next bug report here ---

Bugs/5.20

2007-04-23T09:49:28Z

Ruymbeke: No English menu yet

Bugs/5.20

2007-04-23T08:25:47Z

Ruymbeke: added original and patched files in a zip

Bugs/5.20

2007-04-23T07:51:54Z

Ruymbeke: Knoppix 5.2 c't: bug & patch for /etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig

Win Partition

2006-11-04T08:02:12Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ 5.01 add-on

__TOC__

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/Knoppix382.zip 3.82,3.9], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno40.zip 4.0-LinuxTag-DVD], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno401.zip 4.01-Official-Release & Game-Knoppix-DVD-402], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno402.zip 4.02-CD&DVD-2005-09-23], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno500.zip 5.0 CEBIT edition], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/minirt_usb6.gz 5.01-CD/DVD] addon files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root_Of_NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: C:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root_Of_NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the C:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:\BOOT\GRUB\menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Bugs/5.01CD

2006-06-12T06:25:12Z

Ruymbeke: diff link

1) The ext2 persistent home bug (ext2 partitions not recognized properly)
is still not fixed in 5.01, because of a a typo in the knoppix-autoconfig file:
wrong: ext3|ext3|reiserfs|xfs) MOUNTOPTS="$MOUNTOPTS,noatime" ;;
correct: ext2|ext3|reiserfs|xfs) MOUNTOPTS="$MOUNTOPTS,noatime" ;;
Please find a diff in here:
http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/knoppix-autoconfig.diff
BTW, I found a work around fix, cf:
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=103883#103883
Gilles van Ruymbeke

Bugs/5.01CD

2006-06-10T16:29:28Z

Ruymbeke: ext2 persistent home bug

1) The ext2 persistent home bug (ext2 partitions not recognized properly)
is still not fixed in 5.01, because of a a typo in the knoppix-autoconfig file:
wrong: ext3|ext3|reiserfs|xfs) MOUNTOPTS="$MOUNTOPTS,noatime" ;;
correct: ext2|ext3|reiserfs|xfs) MOUNTOPTS="$MOUNTOPTS,noatime" ;;
I found a work around fix, cf:
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=103883#103883
Gilles van Ruymbeke

Bugs

2006-06-10T16:21:19Z

Ruymbeke: Added 5.01 cd bugs report link

* [[Bugs_in_forum_software|Bugs in the forum software powering http://www.knoppix.net/wikinew/]]
* [[Bugs/5.01CD|Knoppix Version V5.01 CD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/5.0DVD|Knoppix Version V5.0 DVD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/4.0.2CD|Knoppix Version V4.0.2 CD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/4.0.2DVD|Knoppix Version V4.0.2 DVD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/4.0.1CD|Knoppix Version V4.0.1 CD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/4.0.1DVD|Knoppix Version V4.0.1 DVD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/4.0|Knoppix Version V4.0 DVD bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.9-2005-05-27|Knoppix Version V3.9 2005-05-27 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.8.2|Knoppix Version V3.8.2 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.8.1|Knoppix Version V3.8.1 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.7|Knoppix Version V3.7-pcwelt bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.6-2004-08-16 | Knoppix Version V3.6-2004-08-16 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.4-2004-05-10|Knoppix Version V3.4-2004-05-10 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/3.4-2004-05-17|Knoppix Version V3.4-2004-05-17 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/Installer|Knoppix-Installer bugs (knoppix-installer)]]
* [[Bugs/3.5|Linuxtag 2004 Knoppix v3.5 bugs]]
* [[Bugs/BSD| Linuxtag 2004 BSD-DVD bugs]]
* [[Cloop Version 2.01]]

* [[Requests for Enhancements]]

[[Category:Bug Pages]]

USB Based FAQ

2006-03-27T07:18:11Z

Ruymbeke: /* KNOPPIX USB */ add corsair usb

==KNOPPIX USB==

Knoppix is a GNU/Linux distribution that boots and runs completely from cd it can also boot and run completely from a USB drive.

To boot an unmodified Knoppix from a USB stick or USB hard drive is quite easy although it requires a few of steps. This tutorial assumes that you are already running GNU/Linux (and has been tested on [[Debian]]).

Edit from Ruymbeke on March 23rd 2006:
A lot of, if not most of the USB dongles are not bootable by default.
You may want to use the HPUSBFW.EXE tool (XP only) to make it bootable
by changing the geometry of the device and perform a low level (re-)format.
It may reduce sligthly the overall size of the drive (to make it bootable)
but I have run it successfuly on all my USB dongles: pqi, lexar, corsair, ...
You will find this tool and an alternate method for booting Knoppix 4.02
from a USB dongle using grub.exe or loadlin.exe from a dos boot in here:
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93758#93758
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=101293#101293 (Knoppix 5.0 addon)

Attach your USB device to your computer and create a partition (using e.g. cfdisk) large enough to hold the contents of the ISO image plus about 5%. The rest of this discussion assumes that you can address this partition using /dev/sda1.

Create a file system on the partition:

# mke2fs -j /dev/sda1

To prevent fsck from being run on it:

# tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 /dev/sda1

Mount the partition and copy the contents of the KNOPPIX ISO image (named KNOPPIX.iso below) to it:

# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
# losetup /dev/loop0 KNOPPIX.iso
# mkdir knoppix
# mount /dev/loop0 knoppix
# cp -r knoppix/* /mnt
# umount knoppix
# rmdir knoppix
# losetup -d /dev/loop0

To setup Grub to boot from the USB drive, copy Grub's working files, namely, stage1, stage2 and the appropriate stage1_5 file, to the partition. It is easiest to simply copy all of Grub's files. Assuming your distribution has Grub's loader in /boot/grub:

# mkdir -p /mnt/boot/grub
# cp -r /boot/grub/* /mnt/boot/grub

To install the stage1 boot loader to the drive's master boot record (MBR), edit the device.map file to tell grub-install that /dev/sda1 is a bios drive:

# echo '(hd0) /dev/sda' > /mnt/boot/grub/device.map

and then install Grub to /dev/sda:

# grub-install --root-directory=/mnt --no-floppy '(hd0)'

Finally, create a menu.lst file. Look at /mnt/boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg. These are the different default Knoppix configurations. The default configuration on 4.0.2 is:

DEFAULT linux
APPEND ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off vga=791 initrd=minirt.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix

Converting this a Grub boot is relatively straight forward. On booting, the root is set to the boto device. This is the Knoppix partition which is exactly what we want. The line starting with DEFAULT tells isolinux which kernel in /boot/isolinux to use. APPEND tells isolinux the arguments to pass to the kernel. Grub needs to load the initrd on its own and the arguments go on the kernel line. With a bit of rearranging, we get the following:

title Knoppix
kernel /boot/isolinux/linux ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off vga=791 initrd=minirt.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix
initrd /boot/isolinux/minirt.gz
boot

Add the above along with the following to /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst to have Knoppix boot auotmatically:

default 0
timeout 2

Finally, unmount the partition.

# umount /mnt

You should now be booting Knoppix from your USB drive.

==Booting to an Image on an Alternative Device==

Poor Man's USB Based Boot (Boot from USB flash memory stick and then continue boot with Knoppix image stored on a harddisk or a CD or an external USB harddisk ) How To:

What you will need:

* Computer with [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS BIOS] capable of booting from USB keydrive (select USB-HDD). (Unfortunately, some buggy BIOS just wont boot from my USB stick, such as all versions up to F9 for the Gigabyte GA-8IEXP motherboard).
* USB keydrive that can boot as USB-HDD device. Make sure you read the product specification, only some USB flash sticks support this feature. (or see this 4/05 review on Ars Technica http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/flash2005.ars . Only 3 of 10 reviewed sticks are bootable.)
* Linux with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRUB GRUB] grub boot loader already installed. I just use Knoppix.
* Read [[Win Partition]] Poor Man Installation for the more versatile boot mechanism we gonna utilize here.

Steps:
(Cautions: Unmount usb stick before you remove it from USB slot to avoid data loss. Backup the MBR of harddisk and USB stick, see the [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64999#64999 link] above)

# Insert the USB stick, use cfdisk to create a partition with boot flag on this device ( cfdisk /dev/sda ). Create a file system on the newly created partition.(eg. mke2fs -m0 /dev/sda1)
# Mount the partition and install grub boot loader on this device ( mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb && grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/usb /dev/sda ). Now the USB stick is already bootable, you will enter the interactive GRUB shell enviroment if you boot with it.
# Copy kernel and initrd to USB stick. To continue boot from an knoppix 3.6 ISO image stored on a NTFS/FAT harddisk partition, you will need the kernel and miniroot.gz files from [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's files].
# Create a file ''menu.lst'' under dir ''/mnt/usb/boot/grub'', I just copied the one from [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's files] pasted in [[Win Partition]] PMI. Specify the location of the newly copied kernel and minirt files in this file, note (hd0,0) is the first partition on USB stick when you boot from it, and the first harddisk likes to be hd1. To find out how GRUB map devices, press key '''c''' when you see GRUB boot menu at boot time, then type ''root ('' and press '''''TAB''''' key, see the GRUB texinfo for detail.

DONE.

I have created a 32M boot partition on a 128M USB flash stick, and use it to boot Knoppix ISO image stored in a FAT32 partition shared by Windows, or to boot ubuntu live CD (basemodule is Morphix) already copied to another partition. The purpose is to reduce the time to burn these Linux Live CDs and less CDs to carry with.

USB Based FAQ

2006-03-24T08:01:19Z

Ruymbeke: /* KNOPPIX USB */ usb bootable tool + grub.exe & loadlin.exe method link

==KNOPPIX USB==

Knoppix is a GNU/Linux distribution that boots and runs completely from cd it can also boot and run completely from a USB drive.

To boot an unmodified Knoppix from a USB stick or USB hard drive is quite easy although it requires a few of steps. This tutorial assumes that you are already running GNU/Linux (and has been tested on [[Debian]]).

Edit from Ruymbeke on March 23rd 2006:
A lot of, if not most of the USB dongles are not bootable by default.
You may want to use the HPUSBFW.EXE tool (XP only) to make it bootable
by changing the geometry of the device and perform a low level (re-)format.
It may reduce sligthly the overall size of the drive (to make it bootable)
but I have run it successfuly on all my USB dongles: pqi, lexar,...
You will find this tool and an alternate method for booting Knoppix 4.02
from a USB dongle using grub.exe or loadlin.exe from a dos boot in here:
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93758#93758
http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=101293#101293 (Knoppix 5.0 addon)

Attach your USB device to your computer and create a partition (using e.g. cfdisk) large enough to hold the contents of the ISO image plus about 5%. The rest of this discussion assumes that you can address this partition using /dev/sda1.

Create a file system on the partition:

# mke2fs -j /dev/sda1

To prevent fsck from being run on it:

# tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 /dev/sda1

Mount the partition and copy the contents of the KNOPPIX ISO image (named KNOPPIX.iso below) to it:

# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
# losetup /dev/loop0 KNOPPIX.iso
# mkdir knoppix
# mount /dev/loop0 knoppix
# cp -r knoppix/* /mnt
# umount knoppix
# rmdir knoppix
# losetup -d /dev/loop0

To setup Grub to boot from the USB drive, copy Grub's working files, namely, stage1, stage2 and the appropriate stage1_5 file, to the partition. It is easiest to simply copy all of Grub's files. Assuming your distribution has Grub's loader in /boot/grub:

# mkdir -p /mnt/boot/grub
# cp -r /boot/grub/* /mnt/boot/grub

To install the stage1 boot loader to the drive's master boot record (MBR), edit the device.map file to tell grub-install that /dev/sda1 is a bios drive:

# echo '(hd0) /dev/sda' > /mnt/boot/grub/device.map

and then install Grub to /dev/sda:

# grub-install --root-directory=/mnt --no-floppy '(hd0)'

Finally, create a menu.lst file. Look at /mnt/boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg. These are the different default Knoppix configurations. The default configuration on 4.0.2 is:

DEFAULT linux
APPEND ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off vga=791 initrd=minirt.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix

Converting this a Grub boot is relatively straight forward. On booting, the root is set to the boto device. This is the Knoppix partition which is exactly what we want. The line starting with DEFAULT tells isolinux which kernel in /boot/isolinux to use. APPEND tells isolinux the arguments to pass to the kernel. Grub needs to load the initrd on its own and the arguments go on the kernel line. With a bit of rearranging, we get the following:

title Knoppix
kernel /boot/isolinux/linux ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off vga=791 initrd=minirt.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix
initrd /boot/isolinux/minirt.gz
boot

Add the above along with the following to /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst to have Knoppix boot auotmatically:

default 0
timeout 2

Finally, unmount the partition.

# umount /mnt

You should now be booting Knoppix from your USB drive.

==Booting to an Image on an Alternative Device==

Poor Man's USB Based Boot (Boot from USB flash memory stick and then continue boot with Knoppix image stored on a harddisk or a CD or an external USB harddisk ) How To:

What you will need:

* Computer with [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS BIOS] capable of booting from USB keydrive (select USB-HDD). (Unfortunately, some buggy BIOS just wont boot from my USB stick, such as all versions up to F9 for the Gigabyte GA-8IEXP motherboard).
* USB keydrive that can boot as USB-HDD device. Make sure you read the product specification, only some USB flash sticks support this feature. (or see this 4/05 review on Ars Technica http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/flash2005.ars . Only 3 of 10 reviewed sticks are bootable.)
* Linux with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRUB GRUB] grub boot loader already installed. I just use Knoppix.
* Read [[Win Partition]] Poor Man Installation for the more versatile boot mechanism we gonna utilize here.

Steps:
(Cautions: Unmount usb stick before you remove it from USB slot to avoid data loss. Backup the MBR of harddisk and USB stick, see the [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64999#64999 link] above)

# Insert the USB stick, use cfdisk to create a partition with boot flag on this device ( cfdisk /dev/sda ). Create a file system on the newly created partition.(eg. mke2fs -m0 /dev/sda1)
# Mount the partition and install grub boot loader on this device ( mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb && grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/usb /dev/sda ). Now the USB stick is already bootable, you will enter the interactive GRUB shell enviroment if you boot with it.
# Copy kernel and initrd to USB stick. To continue boot from an knoppix 3.6 ISO image stored on a NTFS/FAT harddisk partition, you will need the kernel and miniroot.gz files from [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's files].
# Create a file ''menu.lst'' under dir ''/mnt/usb/boot/grub'', I just copied the one from [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's files] pasted in [[Win Partition]] PMI. Specify the location of the newly copied kernel and minirt files in this file, note (hd0,0) is the first partition on USB stick when you boot from it, and the first harddisk likes to be hd1. To find out how GRUB map devices, press key '''c''' when you see GRUB boot menu at boot time, then type ''root ('' and press '''''TAB''''' key, see the GRUB texinfo for detail.

DONE.

I have created a 32M boot partition on a 128M USB flash stick, and use it to boot Knoppix ISO image stored in a FAT32 partition shared by Windows, or to boot ubuntu live CD (basemodule is Morphix) already copied to another partition. The purpose is to reduce the time to burn these Linux Live CDs and less CDs to carry with.

Win Partition

2006-03-18T08:55:20Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ kno500.zip update

__TOC__

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/Knoppix382.zip 3.82,3.9], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno40.zip 4.0-LinuxTag-DVD], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno401.zip 4.01-Official-Release & Game-Knoppix-DVD-402], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno402.zip 4.02-CD&DVD-2005-09-23] [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno500.zip 5.0 CEBIT edition] addon files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root_Of_NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: C:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root_Of_NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the C:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:\BOOT\GRUB\menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2006-03-17T09:24:09Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ Knoppix 5.0 cebit edition added

__TOC__

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/Knoppix382.zip 3.82,3.9], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno40.zip 4.0-LinuxTag-DVD], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno401.zip 4.01-Official-Release & Game-Knoppix-DVD-402], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno402.zip 4.02-CD&DVD-2005-09-23] [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/minirt_usb5.gz 5.0 CEBIT edition] addon files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root_Of_NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: C:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root_Of_NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the C:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:\BOOT\GRUB\menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

USB Based FAQ

2005-10-09T00:11:10Z

Ruymbeke: quick link add-on for 4.0.2 update, (I will clean up asap)

What you'll need :

* Knoppix or an already stripped down version with a kernel with [[cloop]]-support (i.e. [[Debian]]).

;:If you want to boot Knoppix from USB stick, you must also modify miniroot.gz to include usb-uhci.o, usb-ohci.o and usb-storage.o, otherwise /linuxrc can't mount the stick and find the cloop image.

* bootable [[USB]] [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/keydrive keydrive].
* Computer with [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS BIOS] capable of booting from USB keydrive (select USB-ZIP).
* [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/syslinux syslinux] or grub for booting.

You can see how in:

*http://rz-obrian.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/knoppix-usb/
*Another way from [[Gnoppix]]: [[Gnoppix BootMedia]].
*[http://transcendusa.com Bootable keydrive]
*http://am.xs4all.nl/phpwiki/index.php/UsbMorphix
*http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Small_Footprint_Gentoo_on_USB

Full method using Knoppix 3.6:
*http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64999#64999

Full method using Knoppix 4.0.2:
*http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=93758#93758

----

Poor Man's USB Based Boot (Boot from USB flash memory stick and then continue boot with Knoppix image stored on a harddisk or a CD or an external USB harddisk ) How To:

What you will need:

* Computer with [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS BIOS] capable of booting from USB keydrive (select USB-HDD). (Unfortunately, some buggy BIOS just wont boot from my USB stick, such as all versions up to F9 for the Gigabyte GA-8IEXP motherboard).
* USB keydrive that can boot as USB-HDD device. Make sure you read the product specification, only some USB flash sticks support this feature. (or see this 4/05 review on Ars Technica http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/flash2005.ars . Only 3 of 10 reviewed sticks are bootable.)
* Linux with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRUB GRUB] grub boot loader already installed. I just use Knoppix.
* Read [[Win Partition]] Poor Man Installation for the more versatile boot mechanism we gonna utilize here.

Steps:
(Cautions: Unmount usb stick before you remove it from USB slot to avoid data loss. Backup the MBR of harddisk and USB stick, see the [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64999#64999 link] above)

# Insert the USB stick, use cfdisk to create a partition with boot flag on this device ( cfdisk /dev/sda ). Create a file system on the newly created partition.(eg. mke2fs -m0 /dev/sda1)
# Mount the partition and install grub boot loader on this device ( mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb && grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/usb /dev/sda ). Now the USB stick is already bootable, you will enter the interactive GRUB shell enviroment if you boot with it.
# Copy kernel and initrd to USB stick. To continue boot from an knoppix 3.6 ISO image stored on a NTFS/FAT harddisk partition, you will need the kernel and miniroot.gz files from [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's files].
# Create a file ''menu.lst'' under dir ''/mnt/usb/boot/grub'', I just copied the one from [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's files] pasted in [[Win Partition]] PMI. Specify the location of the newly copied kernel and minirt files in this file, note (hd0,0) is the first partition on USB stick when you boot from it, and the first harddisk likes to be hd1. To find out how GRUB map devices, press key '''c''' when you see GRUB boot menu at boot time, then type ''root ('' and press '''''TAB''''' key, see the GRUB texinfo for detail.

DONE.

I have created a 32M boot partition on a 128M USB flash stick, and use it to boot Knoppix ISO image stored in a FAT32 partition shared by Windows, or to boot ubuntu live CD (basemodule is Morphix) already copied to another partition. The purpose is to reduce the time to burn these Linux Live CDs and less CDs to carry with.

Win Partition

2005-09-24T22:50:20Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ updated for 4.0.2 CD&DVD Patch Update 2005-09-23

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/Knoppix382.zip 3.82,3.9], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno40.zip 4.0-LinuxTag-DVD], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno401.zip 4.01-Official-Release & Game-Knoppix-DVD-402], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno402.zip 4.02-CD&DVD-2005-09-23] addon files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root_Of_NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: C:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root_Of_NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the C:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:\BOOT\GRUB\menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-09-18T20:00:14Z

Ruymbeke: Game-Knoppix-DVD-402 update

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/Knoppix382.zip 3.82,3.9], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno40.zip 4.0-LinuxTag-DVD], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno401.zip 4.01-Official-Release & Game-Knoppix-DVD-402] addon files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root_Of_NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: C:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root_Of_NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the C:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:\BOOT\GRUB\menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-09-12T06:24:00Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ Download link update

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/Knoppix382.zip 3.82,3.9], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno40.zip 4.0-LinuxTag-DVD], [http://s94002264.onlinehome.us/grub/kno401.zip 4.0-Official-Release] addon files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root_Of_NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: C:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root_Of_NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the C:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:\BOOT\GRUB\menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-08-19T04:48:49Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ Updated for the Knoppix 4.0.1 DVD Official Release

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/Knoppix382.zip 3.82,3.9], [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/kno40.zip 4.0-LinuxTag-DVD], [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/kno401.zip 4.0-Official-Release] addon files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-08-18T06:50:53Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ Updated for the Knoppix 4.0 DVD Official Release

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/Knoppix382.zip 3.82,3.9], [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/kno40.zip 4.0-LinuxTag-DVD], [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/kno40dvd.zip 4.0-Official-Release] addon files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-07-20T07:59:11Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ Knoppix 4.0 update

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/Knoppix382.zip 3.82,3.9] [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/kno40.zip 4.0] addon files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-07-20T07:57:53Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ Knoppix 4.0 update

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/Knoppix382.zip 3.82,3.9 addon] [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/kno40.zip 4.0] files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-06-23T06:14:26Z

Ruymbeke: 3.9 update

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/Knoppix382.zip 3.82,3.9 addon] files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-06-23T06:01:53Z

Ruymbeke: knoppix 3.82 update

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grube.zip Ruymbeke's knoppix 3.6,3.7,3.81] (and the [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/Knoppix382.zip 3.82 addon] files), and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.atekon.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-05-25T07:33:46Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ updated the c:\boot\knoppix.381 folder

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grube.zip Ruymbeke's files], and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.381 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.berlios.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-04-13T08:19:01Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ updated grube.zip to include 3.8.1

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grube.zip Ruymbeke's files], and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.36 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.berlios.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-03-15T06:23:04Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ page formatting

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grubd.zip Ruymbeke's files], and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE''. You can use config.sys ''[menu]'' to select booting from grub or windows:

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.36 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.berlios.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-03-15T06:10:05Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ updated config.sys dos menu to select boot options with win98/me

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grubd.zip Ruymbeke's files], and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE'' You can use menus to select booting from grub or windows: ''[menu] MenuItem=GRUB, Grub MenuItem=WIN, Windows [GRUB] SHELL=GRUB.EXE [WIN] ...''

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.36 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.berlios.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2005-02-13T03:16:49Z

Ruymbeke: Updated the Ruymbeke's grubd.zip link to a working link

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [http://s119307663.onlinehome.us/grubd.zip Ruymbeke's files], and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE'' (to return to booting to Windows 9x you will have to edit config.sys again as grub.exe will not allow booting to Windows/Msdos AFAIK).

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.36 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.berlios.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.

Win Partition

2004-12-31T07:23:36Z

Ruymbeke: /* Steps: */ updated www link to grubd.zip (knoppix 3.6 --> 3.7)

=== Windows Partition PMI ===

Much Credit here is due to the Japanese Knoppix Group for developing an NTFS compatible boot setup, to the various Grub patches authors, and to Ruymbeke for the easy setup and for the adaptation to the domestic versions of Knoppix on DOS/NT/XP machines.

''This how-to was originally written by J. Drake to synthesize [[http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52847#52847 this thread]] and make it simpler for new users to follow.''

This version of a poor man's installation goes beyond the basics, and utilizes the GRUB bootloader to install Knoppix from a Windows partition (including NTFS). The advantages of this version over the [[Basic Poor Mans]] PMI are as follows:

* 1. No CD, USB, diskette, or any other device are required to boot. You can choose to boot either Windows or Linux from a simple boot menu.

* 2. All setup and installation can be done from within Windows. No prior Linux experience is required to have the function and versatility of a Linux HD install. For new users especially, this option is very attractive.

* 3. In many cases, upgrading is as simple as downloading a new release to the appropriate Windows folder.

* 4. No partitioning is needed to run HD based Linux off of the typical single-partition factory-built computer, unless the user wants to save data to the hard disk. New users who don't wish to partition their drives can save data on a separate disk or USB drive, while those desiring the enhanced function of a persistent home can create as few as one additional non-NTFS partition. Plus, users willing to experiment with Captive NTFS might potentially experiment with persistent homes in their NTFS partitions (not me).

Be sure to read and understand the introductory information on the WIKI page [[Poor Mans Install]].

Note: If you have ever tried any other kind of [[Poor Mans Install]] as described in [[Hd Based HowTo]], please remove or rename the KNOPPIX directory on harddisk.

==== Steps: ====

* 1. Within Windows, download [[http://s94592085.onlinehome.us/grub/grubd.zip Ruymbeke's files]], and extract them to a folder on the Windows desktop.

* 2. Copy the files and folders from the "Root''Of''NTFS" folder into the root of your C: drive, ''except for boot.ini''. Use boot.ini from the zip as a template for modifying your boot.ini.

* 3. While you're in the root of your C: drive, find the boot.ini file and copy it to boot.old, then open boot.ini with notepad. At the end of the file, add the following line: c:\grldr="Start Grub" . . . or whatever title you want to put in the quotes. Check to make sure that the timeout gives you enough time (in seconds) to make a choice. You can refer to the boot.ini in the zip as an example. Save as Boot.ini and exit.
Notes:
-With Win2000 computers you may add an alternate boot option in the boot.ini file: c:\bootgrub="Start Grub (old method)"
-To work with Windows 9x copy GRUB.EXE from "Root''Of''NTFS" folder to C:\ then edit your CONFIG.SYS file adding the line ''SHELL=GRUB.EXE'' (to return to booting to Windows 9x you will have to edit config.sys again as grub.exe will not allow booting to Windows/Msdos AFAIK).

* 4. Find the ISO file you originally downloaded, and copy it to the c:\boot\knoppix.36 folder.

* 5. Now, open Notepad, and load the file C:/BOOT/GRUB/menu.lst. Check to make sure that each step matches your HD configuration. Exammine the boot stanzas and add any cheatcodes for persistent home, saved configuration, or whatever you may use. Up at the top, I would recommend changing the timeout from 5 seconds to 15. Save and exit.

* 6. Restart, and wait for a menu prompt which gives you a choice between Windows and Start Grub. Cursor down to Start Grub and enter. Then choose among the options in the same manner. You should be launching Knoppix now.

==== Tweaks: ====

* 1. Note that in GRUB, the first disk or first partition are numbered zero. So, if your C: drive is the first partition of your first disk the C: drive will be hd(0,0), and hdb3 would be hd(1,2). On newer stock HP Pavilions, C: is actually the ''second'' partition of the first drive (hda2), which equates to hd(0,1) in grubspeak.

* 2. If you're really new and haven't set up a persistent home yet or saved your configuration, you can set this up later, once you boot into Knoppix. Just click the penguin icon on the toolbar and choose Configure, and follow the instructions to set up a persistent home.

* 3. The easiest way to install programs is by using Klik. Open Konqueror (not Mozilla or any other browser), and type in the following URL: http://klik.berlios.de/ then follow the instructions to install Klik. You will see a number of programs available to you for automatic installation. If you don't see the one you want listed, you can try the following command klik://softwarename into the address block of Konqueror.